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The Pistol in the NFL

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The Pistol in the NFL

Post by GBDawg1 on Sat 07 Feb 2015, 10:16 am

As this formation causes a lot of angst with a number of owners, I decided to have a trawl around and put together some stats. Unfortunately, I can't get the whole picture: I got these from a combination of stats off Pro Football Focus and here they are:



These stats are from 2013 (I couldn't get this season's yet) but the interesting thing is that you can see, not surprisingly, that RGIII was the leader in terms of attempts out of the pistol - where he either passed or scrambled. Colin Kaepernick, who is regarded as one of the leaders in this area too, only passed out of the pistol (or scrambled) 15% of the time. And you can see that the NFL average is only 4%.

What the stats don't show (and I can't find them) is how often a team lined up in the pistol and ran the ball. However, I would suggest that the stats would be fairly similar to their passing stats, given that the leaders - Washington and San Francisco - actually run fairly balanced offences as you can see from the stats at the bottom. The likes of Denver and New Orleans are more pass-happy outfits, again not surprisingly.

I wanted to show QB stats for the likes of Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, but the Pistol table only showed the top pistol QBs (in terms of how many times they ran the pistol on passing downs) and they didn't feature in the table, meaning that they didn't use it much, if at all.

So there you are. Make of it what you will.

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Re: The Pistol in the NFL

Post by bapminister on Sat 07 Feb 2015, 10:53 am

Love it Smile

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Re: The Pistol in the NFL

Post by Stang on Sat 07 Feb 2015, 2:16 pm

So  I can run the pistol 500+ times next season and not get in trouble for it is what I'm gathering here?
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Re: The Pistol in the NFL

Post by dbatch2 on Sat 07 Feb 2015, 9:15 pm

I'm surprised not to see Russell Wilson and Indianapolis adopted the pistol this past season. But pistol formation has been adopted by a lot of teams. With mobile qbs and even with qbs like Peyton and brees. Its all about not being predictable and giving the defense different looks. Gotta love the pistol

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Re: The Pistol in the NFL

Post by GBDawg1 on Sat 07 Feb 2015, 9:55 pm

Love it 4% of the time.

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Re: The Pistol in the NFL

Post by bapminister on Sat 07 Feb 2015, 10:34 pm

For those without a maths degree, for a game with 50 offensive plays (which is at the top end for our league games) 4% would mean 2 pistol plays per team, per game.

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Re: The Pistol in the NFL

Post by Donniebrasco72 on Sat 07 Feb 2015, 11:08 pm

I have the pistol formation in my playbook but NEVER ever run with the QB. I am on the other hand, pretty good at stopping it.

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Re: The Pistol in the NFL

Post by Stang on Sat 07 Feb 2015, 11:25 pm

Everything is easy to stop with these whack sliders.
Donniebrasco72 wrote:I have the pistol formation in my playbook but NEVER ever run with the QB. I am on the other hand, pretty good at stopping it.

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Re: The Pistol in the NFL

Post by bp_brien on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 12:32 am

bapminister wrote:For those without a maths degree, for a game with 50 offensive plays (which is at the top end for our league games) 4% would mean 2 pistol plays per team, per game.

And this shows why averages are a pretty meaningless way of representing data that is not distributed uniformly
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Re: The Pistol in the NFL

Post by warlow on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 6:00 am

Its an Avg of 18% of the time for the top 5 teams using it!

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Re: The Pistol in the NFL

Post by GBDawg1 on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 11:17 am

And none of those is San Diego.

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Post by warlow on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 1:57 pm

Rule suggestion you have a team you want to control or like if you choose them you must use there playbook? Just throwing it out there?

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Re: The Pistol in the NFL

Post by GBDawg1 on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 2:22 pm

It's been "thrown out there" before and we threw it back.

You can use whichever playbook you want, except:

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Post by bapminister on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 5:25 pm

bp_brien wrote:
bapminister wrote:For those without a maths degree, for a game with 50 offensive plays (which is at the top end for our league games) 4% would mean 2 pistol plays per team, per game.

And this shows why averages are a pretty meaningless way of representing data that is not distributed uniformly

A meta-analysis would be ideal if you want to go through every teams tape of every game for the last five years? Then we'd have precise stats Smile

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Re: The Pistol in the NFL

Post by bp_brien on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 6:04 pm

bapminister wrote:
bp_brien wrote:
bapminister wrote:For those without a maths degree, for a game with 50 offensive plays (which is at the top end for our league games) 4% would mean 2 pistol plays per team, per game.

And this shows why averages are a pretty meaningless way of representing data that is not distributed uniformly

A meta-analysis would be ideal if you want to go through every teams tape of every game for the last five years? Then we'd have precise stats Smile


More simply set an exclusion criteria of teams that dont run the pistol so that the data is more normally distributed. Then rerun the descriptive statistics and consider any rate within one or two standard deviations of the mean to be acceptable (down to the committees discretion) 

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Re: The Pistol in the NFL

Post by Bishbosh on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 6:10 pm

So, the pistol's crap then, right.

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Re: The Pistol in the NFL

Post by GBDawg1 on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 6:11 pm

To save time, I may just ban the pistol altogether. That seems the simpler solution. Sometimes dictatorship is the easiest way to prevent arguments. People then do as they're told or face the consequences.

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Post by Xipie on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 7:56 pm

What's the exact problem with the pistol?  confused

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Post by manidifata on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 11:37 pm

Xipie wrote:What's the exact problem with the pistol?  confused

The name. It's too violent. Would it been called "the triangle of love" scheme, would be accepted in every madden league.
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