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Post by MattyE88 on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 5:59 pm

In my eyes offering a 30 plus player a 6yr contract is fiddling cap.

If they want that fair enough take screenshot as proof.

There are a few i have seen,that are unrealistic .

How can we stop the cap fiddling or control?

Screen screenshot as proof they want big contracts at age 30 plus .

Or after 28 you can offer 1 yr extra then they want ?

And any years for young players under 28? 


Limits of how many big contracts can be given ?

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Post by fraff on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 6:11 pm

I kinda agree not for cap fiddling but free agency because if u offer all ur players 5-7 year contracts even the scrubs ul keep the 53 man roster then just replace them with draft improvement I think either screen shot what they want or send ur offer to a committee member for there approval  b4 u offer it ( sorry committee I know u have enough 2 do ) but there's less talent dropping into f/a every year


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Re: Views on contracts and any ideas

Post by Bishbosh on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 6:20 pm

I could be wrong here, but as far as i'm aware players aged 28+ never ask for 5-6 year contracts. 

How about introducing a rule that forbids anyone offering more years than requested by a free agent  over 28 yrs old? This would also be relatively easy to check after FA?

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Re: Views on contracts and any ideas

Post by JR90RFC on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 6:44 pm

We only get 3 to 4 seasons each Madden edition, so I have no issue with people wanting to keep their best players away from free agency however they see fit. Even if these players do hit the open market they'll always be foolishly overpriced every time anyway.

Plus if someone was to resign a 30 year old player to a multi year deal then they'll have to absorb the cap penalty should that player regress, become a backup or be surplus to requirements.
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Post by DZUBA on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 6:54 pm

I think best way gonna be to create a salary and years limit table for every position with age groups. Cause last offseason I offered very good contracts for few FA OLs and didn't get any of them, cause other GM give them very long contracts with very big salary that players will receive at last seasons of contracts which we don't gonna play for sure...
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Post by Riverside on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 7:40 pm

all rules should be simple.

long term (4+ years) contracts for 30+ yrs players should include at least 30% of money guaranteed.

in this case GM is taking a risk of degrading payers in a future to turn from asset into liability. cut would be even a bigger headache for a cap.

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Post by fraff on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 7:46 pm

Or unless it's a francise player u can only offer them a contract for as long as we play that way we will see the free agency b interesting like in real life or a year over so there contract would run out 2019
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Re: Views on contracts and any ideas

Post by Bishbosh on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 8:48 pm

@Riverside wrote:all rules should be simple.

long term (4+ years) contracts for 30+ yrs players should include at least 30% of money guaranteed.

in this case GM is taking a risk of degrading payers in a future to turn from asset into liability. cut would be even a bigger headache for a cap.

River, this is a great idea.

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Post by H64mmy on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 9:39 pm

If you want to keep your best players you have to give them, in some cases a lot more than what they want. I had to offer David way more than what he was asking for. As he had turned down the 2 offers already made and I wasn't losing him to FA.
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Post by bapminister on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 10:37 pm

While this is a good idea, it's too much effort to enforce and way too difficult

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Re: Views on contracts and any ideas

Post by Xipie on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 10:46 pm

Did some checking based after the resigning period after the first season going through the teams and see what the players demanded:




30: Brent Celek and Jordy Nelson both wanted 5 year contracts
31: Anthony Spencer and Brad Smith 4.
32: Frank Gore, Jason Avant, Nate Washington and Heath Miller all 3.
33: Roddy White and Michael Roos 3.
34: and the winner Wes Welker demanding a 4 year deal.

Most scrubs go for 1 year deals.. interestingly every single CB aged 30 and more demand only 1 year deals, even Revis wanted a 15M - 1 yr contract despite being "only" 30.


I think best way gonna be to create a salary and years limit table for every position with age groups. Cause last offseason I offered very good contracts for few FA OLs and didn't get any of them, cause other GM give them very long contracts with very big salary that players will receive at last seasons of contracts which we don't gonna play for sure...


In terms of those OL guys, did you also take into if the player was interested in the scheme you run or the location the team has?
Even if you would max out contract length, salary amount and bonus.. if the other team gets a scheme or location bonus.. you might want to look elsewhere.

Back to topic, In my opinion for every player you want to resign who is 30 or older you simply have to respect the amount of years that they demand

You could even think about the option to do this for every player in the resigning period or potentially the ones that are 80+ might make the whole off-season a bit more interesting but will cost a lot of effort as well.

Could also be an option to consider the during the season resigning as not allowed and only use the one shot off-season week to resign players.

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Post by bapminister on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 10:51 pm

Did you make that graph yourself? Shocked

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Post by fraff on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 11:01 pm

I'd work with signing my players on that graph/chart
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Post by Xipie on Fri 02 Jan 2015, 11:51 pm

@bapminister wrote:Did you make that graph yourself? Shocked

Yeah, I did.. was curious about the outcome Suspect

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Post by Bishbosh on Sat 03 Jan 2015, 12:44 am

Not enough squiggly lines for a graph Bap! What on earth do they teach in med school these days? i hope you don't have to fill in my medical chart any time soon Very Happy

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Post by MattyE88 on Sat 03 Jan 2015, 12:49 am

Im all for freedom and doing what you can to keep players you want same for trading what you want being a veteran owner,but when people are offering old players huge years to get round cap to offer more for other players or fa and while keeping a spot on there roster filled.

just consistently offering each player 6 or 7 years is wrong regardless of the age and kills FA.





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Post by Riverside on Sat 03 Jan 2015, 7:51 am

@MattyE88 wrote:just consistently offering each player 6 or 7 years is wrong regardless of the age and kills FA.

and here comes the question that Dzuba partly touched. 
ok, for example "Owners" team is not recommended to prolong contract way to much. although if you set a rule with fixed adequate % of guaranteed money its mathematically not a cap cheet in Madden anymore. but ok - player goes to FA. 
and here comes "FA" team - are they allowed to sign long term (in a hard battle with other teams)? if not - all contracts after 30 will be standard like a fill-in form. it will kill FA too. if yes - it gives unfair advantage to "FA" vs "Owners" team.

I still would like to offer very unfriendly for "owners" system where guaranteed money is at least 30%. that means 30% of salary is put in 1st year, 2nd year of contract - and that already something that everyone who cares about cap should be afraid, not telling already that this will make a dead-money in case of players cut a dead-cup team.

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Post by tru11 on Sat 03 Jan 2015, 10:41 am

i got a simple rule.

years your offer must relate to % of guaranteed money.

1 year = 10%
2 years= 20%
3 years = 30%
4 years = 40%
5 years= 50%
6 years= 60%
7 years = 70 %

1 year 1 mil contract will be 900K salary and 100K bonus for instance.
7 year 100 mil contract will 30 mil salary and 70 mil  bonus.

this way you can offer deals for how long you want at what age they are.

those who want to give long term deals can do as they please and those who dont like it dont have to worry about feeling cheated.

its not hard to calculate.

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Post by Bishbosh on Sat 03 Jan 2015, 11:07 am

Hurrah for the powers of discussion! That is nice and simple Tru, 10% bonus added for each year of contract.

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Post by MattyE88 on Sat 03 Jan 2015, 1:50 pm

So we have some good suggestions.

Whether any of it comes a rule this madden or next madden time will tell.

Good discussion fellas

Now all will got to hope for is that EA sorts player logic out.

Then this discussions would not have to be had lol

Scrubs asking for crazy money,and top players accepting poor long term money contracts

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