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Post by bapminister on Thu 05 Feb 2015, 8:11 pm

I wouldn't say its a huge part of the NFL

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Post by warlow on Thu 05 Feb 2015, 8:19 pm

Bigger than Qb sneak and play action on 3rd and long!

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Post by H64mmy on Fri 06 Feb 2015, 3:10 pm

@Stang wrote:Can we ban the use of X button tackling? The use of X to tackle is the cause of suction tackling. And suction tackling is retarded.

I only noticed this in the last 2/3 games. and wondered what the hell was happening. the defender seemed to be magnetised (<--- is this even a word!?) to the offence player.
Anyway, I don't think it should be altered or banned. With me, its probably just happening by luck anyway (most likely hit the right button for a change).
Ok, here's my tuppence worth. Why I think it should be left. In these games I also noticed on several occasions that my D players were breaking the O line, with a clear run at the QB, but seemed to think it would be a better idea to run to the side and grapple with another O lineman instead of knocking the QB on his sorry ass!

So to cut a longwinded statement short.... its swings and roundabouts as far as I'm concerned Smile
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Post by Pop on Fri 06 Feb 2015, 3:56 pm

Wow you guys dont like a lot of stuff in this game. Smile
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Post by GBDawg1 on Fri 06 Feb 2015, 4:10 pm

@H64mmy wrote:
@Stang wrote:Can we ban the use of X button tackling? The use of X to tackle is the cause of suction tackling. And suction tackling is retarded.

I only noticed this in the last 2/3 games. and wondered what the hell was happening. the defender seemed to be magnetised (<--- is this even a word!?) to the offence player.
Anyway, I don't think it should be altered or banned. With me, its probably just happening by luck anyway (most likely hit the right button for a change).
Ok, here's my tuppence worth. Why I think it should be left. In these games I also noticed on several occasions that my D players were breaking the O line, with a clear run at the QB, but seemed to think it would be a better idea to run to the side and grapple with another O lineman instead of knocking the QB on his sorry ass!

So to cut a longwinded statement short.... its swings and roundabouts as far as I'm concerned Smile

I also love it when one of your cpu-controlled players just stands around while the ball carrier rushes by, or doesn't bother to try to come and meet him as he rushes for the 1st down.

You can't ban using the X button. In any event, when mad panic sets in, sometimes you press any button in your haste to try to bring someone down, which usually means one or more of your defenders dive miles away from the ball for no apparent reason.

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Post by fraff on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 6:21 pm

I looked in the rules but can't seem to find where it says the minimum amount of ppl to send at the qb to my recognition there's only 1 play that sends 2 Velcro I think it's called  but if there isn't a rule on the amount sent can this b considered 2 b added in the rules please
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Post by GBDawg1 on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 6:46 pm

I think it was called 9-velcro. I remember that play but I'm not sure it's still in any playbook. If it is, I don't know which one it is.

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Post by fraff on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 7:19 pm

Yeah that's it & I've seen 1 in 3-4 book where 1 of the front 3 in qb spy  but I had a game where they sent 1 on the last 2 plays of the game and when I said this was they said I would do the same so just wanted a confirmed amour of of how many to send I feel 3 is acceptable 2 ????? But 1 is unacceptable I feel no matter what game week 1-17 to preseason or offseason I feel 3 is the minimum u send unless it's in a play book like 9-Velcro which was all zone
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Post by GBDawg1 on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 7:28 pm

You are right that 1 is unacceptable.

We will look into this.

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Post by fraff on Sun 08 Feb 2015, 7:50 pm

Thanks
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Post by DZUBA on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 11:48 am

@GBDawg1 wrote:This is what we have so far:

2. The PA Pass Rule.

Players are not allowed to use a PA pass on 3rd down when the distance required to get a 1st down is greater than 6 yards.

I have suggestion about this rule. I think You should allow to play PA at 3&6+ but only in Shotgun formation. There are a lot play action passes in NFL when QB and RB shows Draw play, but after they showed run RB stays for Pass Block and QB make pass. In this formation QB don't roll out and almost always OC play routes for 15+ yards. Most popular when QB and RB show draw, RB stay on block and all receivers run streaks. A lot NFL's OC call this kind of PA at different downs and distance.
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Post by Stang on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 4:05 pm

I'm in a franchise that played on All Madden with no sliders, and the stats and scores are very realistic, and the talent level there is very good. I honestly don't think we need them, it makes it feel your playing the sliders not your opponent. This thing called Madden skill should determine who wins games above all else, and that is non existant with these sliders. I still see horrible QB throws without them, and terrible QBs still play terrible.
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Post by Stang on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 4:07 pm

Here's a link to that franchise so you can see for your self how realistic the stats and scores are.

http://daddyleagues.com/ps4
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Post by Bishbosh on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 4:13 pm

Regarding PA - yes, it does happen in shotgun in the NFL but the point is that Madden's AI is not quite up to the level of human players and can be abused on 3rd and long in Madden. That's why it needs to be banned.

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Post by MCFCDAP on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 4:20 pm

@Stang wrote:I'm in a franchise that played on All Madden with no sliders, and the stats and scores are very realistic, and the talent level there is very good. I honestly don't think we need them, it makes it feel your playing the sliders not your opponent. This thing called Madden skill should determine who wins games above all else, and that is non existant with these sliders. I still see horrible QB throws without them, and terrible QBs still play terrible.

YAWN, YAWN, YAWN!! Do you do anything but moan about this league mate?  Seriously, there's people waiting to join, if you aren't happy with how the league is run and the sliders then please just leave!

If your arguments were ever constructive then i think we'd all talk more about your opinions, but most of the time (99.9999%) they aren't and they are just to suit your "style" of play!

I think the sliders make the league closer and less cheesy, and give everyone a good chance! QB's make the odd wayward throw in real life too, so just accept it or trade or draft a real QB that isn't about running around and can actually throw!

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Post by Stang on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 4:38 pm

I provided the evidence that we do not nneed sliders, where is yours that say we need them?
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Post by MCFCDAP on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 4:57 pm

The league is proof we need them ... 2 very competitive seasons, stats look fine and everyone is enjoying it, probably the least people we've had leave in the first 2 seasons for a while and we have a waiting list to join!

This for me is the best Madden for a long time, defense is very good and some people can't handle it, they'd rather see games finish 45-42 every week than a few close games where they might lose 17-14!

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Post by DZUBA on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 5:24 pm

@Bishbosh wrote:Regarding PA - yes, it does happen in shotgun in the NFL but the point is that Madden's AI is not quite up to the level of human players and can be abused on 3rd and long in Madden. That's why it needs to be banned.
Don't agree. In Madden it very depend on QB's PA rate.
In real life it take few moments to understand is it rush or pass, but for LBs this few moments when they understand then it was PA cost a lot! In 2013 P.Manning kill few Ds with PAs from shotgun and long passes. And D really reacted on rushes and only after try to close pass.
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Post by Stang on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 5:31 pm

To me the stats dont look very good they are unrealistically low.
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Post by GBDawg1 on Mon 09 Feb 2015, 10:06 pm

To be perfectly blunt Stang, we are not especially interested in the stats. Stats are stats and don't win games.

What we are trying to achieve here is a competitive gameplaying experience for everyone. The sliders aim to make it more competitive but even so, the cream still rises to the top. There are some who prefer to score on every series but that's not what you are going to get here. In this Madden, people who used to do just that have had to be introduced to their punters. Was yours rude to you or something?

Dzuba: we've made the decision and it's not about the PA rating of the QB. It's about the zombie-like way the defense buys the PA when everyone knows that on 3rd and 6 it's going to be a pass 19/20 times. The AI fails to make that judgment call and it's not because of the ability of the QB to sell the handoff to the RB. This is where human situational knowledge scores over the cpu's lack of awareness of the distance and down.

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Post by Stang on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 1:24 am

Punters are not people Dawg, they disgust me.
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Post by tru11 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 1:00 pm

clicks on stang link from his league and sees Derek carr throw for 6 TDs in 1 game.

ignores stang comments about sliders.

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Post by Ravenblue52 on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 2:21 pm

The only reason 'stats aren't realistic' is because gameplay is. If you want realistic gameplay and stats, create an offline franchise with 15min quarters and play to your heart's content.

For me, ain't nobody got time for that!
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Post by Stang on Tue 10 Feb 2015, 4:29 pm

@tru11 wrote:clicks on stang link from his league and sees Derek carr throw for 6 TDs in 1 game.

ignores stang comments about sliders.
Except we're in year 6 and Carr is a beast now. And their owner is really really good.
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Post by tru11 on Wed 11 Feb 2015, 12:08 pm

@Stang wrote:
@tru11 wrote:clicks on stang link from his league and sees Derek carr throw for 6 TDs in 1 game.

ignores stang comments about sliders.
Except we're in year 6 and Carr is a beast now. And their owner is really really good.

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